Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samy D.
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Speedy keep due to withdrawal of nomination by nominator. (non-admin closure) Maashatra11 (talk) 07:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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PROD tag was removed by a major editor. Seems like a promotional article to me. The sources give no substantial coverage; [1] and [2] are primary and [3] and [4] merely mention him in passing. From a search in Google I can't see much about him apart from directly related sources. Maashatra11 (talk) 12:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Favonian (talk) 12:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- Favonian (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
samy d. is one of israel's leading ceramics artists. in recant years he establishes his world wide reputation as a contemporary ceramics artist and designer. this entry was created not for marketing reasons. please guide me, what changes i should make in order to maintain it. many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohai35 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I have seen Samy D.'s work at the major craft art fairs in the U.S. Moreover, this is not a promotional article since I have no connection with this artist, other than the fact that I like his work. I often start an article when I see a work of art Big Bambú or an artist who I like and notice that there is no wikipedia article. I do the same thing for writers/academics whose work I am curious about, and buildings that I like. But I am no more "promoting" Samy D. than I am "promoting" Doug and Mike Starn, Ethel Franklin Betts, or John Prentiss Benson, other artists about whom I have written articles. Or, if you like, I am promoting them no less. If I like an artist's work, and if there are reliable secondary sources, I think that I perform a public service when I start an article, so that other people who like the work can find out something about the artist.AMuseo (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: AMuseo (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Maashatra11 (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Alix de Rothschild prize and selected AIDA artist in Museum of Philadelphia exhibition [5]. Seems to meet WP:ARTIST.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Samy D is listed along with several others who were selected AIDA artists, namely "Ceramics — Samy D, Vered Tandler Dayan, Jacaranda Kori, Yael Novak, Ethel Pisareff, Leah Sheves, Fiber — Gali Cnaani, Gal Feldman, Idit Kaplan Friedberg, Yehudit Katz, Gil Leitersdorf, Yael Rosen, Jewelry — Sarit Assaf, Noa Goren Amir, Nirit Dekel, Anat Gelbard, Avital Korsh, Omer Lior, Sara Shahak, Orly Wexler, Metal — Tali Abraham, Nati Amoils, Mixed Media — Lauri Recanati". In your opinion, should we create articles for all those people per WP:ARTIST?
- Not necessarily, but if articles were created selection for the exhibition would contribute towards WP:ARTIST.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Samy D is listed along with several others who were selected AIDA artists, namely "Ceramics — Samy D, Vered Tandler Dayan, Jacaranda Kori, Yael Novak, Ethel Pisareff, Leah Sheves, Fiber — Gali Cnaani, Gal Feldman, Idit Kaplan Friedberg, Yehudit Katz, Gil Leitersdorf, Yael Rosen, Jewelry — Sarit Assaf, Noa Goren Amir, Nirit Dekel, Anat Gelbard, Avital Korsh, Omer Lior, Sara Shahak, Orly Wexler, Metal — Tali Abraham, Nati Amoils, Mixed Media — Lauri Recanati". In your opinion, should we create articles for all those people per WP:ARTIST?
- Comment I was curious about the Rotschild award, so I made a Google search, and see what comes up first in the results. Changing the search terms won't help : [6] (The answer is Samy D , of course). Secondly, I don't see why he passes wp:ARTIST per receiving (quite minor) awards. criteria 1, 2 and 3 seem unrelated to prizes. Thus we're left with 4, which says : The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. I don't think it meets (a) as nothing like that is mentioned in the article. For (b), (c) and (d), it's unclear how his works/exhibitions can be deemed notable. Maashatra11 (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The relevant section of WP:ARTIST is "has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition." A significant exhibition is often taken to mean an exhibition in a museum. Winning a national award would be "significant critical attention". If AIDA has a selective membership that would meet "regarded as an important figure... by their peers." But, as ever, commonsense prevails over the criteria. If the subject has won a national award, and has featured in a museum exhibition, they're probably notable.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you saying that the Alix De Rothschild award is a "national award"? I also don't think it's clear that his work has been "a substantial part of a significant exhibition." Exhibitions are covered in the article only as part of a list lacking details that may assert significance. Maashatra11 (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, an annual, nationwide competition, with an exhibition and finalists bragging about being chosen finalists. Winning, of course, is a bigger deal.AMuseo (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you saying that the Alix De Rothschild award is a "national award"? I also don't think it's clear that his work has been "a substantial part of a significant exhibition." Exhibitions are covered in the article only as part of a list lacking details that may assert significance. Maashatra11 (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The relevant section of WP:ARTIST is "has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition." A significant exhibition is often taken to mean an exhibition in a museum. Winning a national award would be "significant critical attention". If AIDA has a selective membership that would meet "regarded as an important figure... by their peers." But, as ever, commonsense prevails over the criteria. If the subject has won a national award, and has featured in a museum exhibition, they're probably notable.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment' I googled "Alix de Rothschild" and easily found numerous galleries and artists citing the prize, articles about Alix de Rothschild and her lifelong support for the arts, and news articles describing this prize in English. It is given in Israel so most of the coverage is naturally in Hebrew. As is a great deal of coverage about this artist. I put a description of the prize with footnotes to two English-language articles about it on the page. And, yes, there are a great many artist who deserve pages and do not yet have them, probably including many of the winners of this prize.AMuseo (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note most of the coverage of this artist is in Hebrew, as is true with most artists from non english-speaking countries.AMuseo (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I withdraw, given the improbabillity that this will ever be deleted. Maashatra11 (talk) 07:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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